Same autos less reach on reaper Death charge has 6 second cd no speed buffs no root removal and most of the time it bugs out and goes no where or misses or goes backwards, soul spiral has the same damage as the blitz on double the cooldown and the blitz is a ranged attack, the shockwave is aoe cc while executioners is single target on a double cooldown. Deaths charge blinds, and Im fairly certain hits far higher, but with the wiki being incomplete I cant say how much higher. It's true the base cooldown is only 5 higher than blinding powder, but every single eng build takes alchemy a HGH does it not? Let's hope they make good decisions moving forward. You go into it to use corona burst and holo leap, and drop it as soon as you can. And theyre not good at bursting from range, since grenades are not that reliable at long range. Lets go over it. That is a false statement. Reaper for examples gives % boost, a stronger healing passive, and a quickness generator. This is a controversial tweak since many have viewed this as a nerf. If a Reaper Shroud was on a 5s CD instead of a 9s CD, do you have any idea how much stronger a Reaper would be? It's one of the worst designed elite specs from a perspective of just augmenting literally everything the core class does. The photon forge itself is, again, a mediocre kit. Its no comparision, Reaper Shroud is a vastly superior form. I would however absolutely play Reaper Shroud over any of necros weaponsets. And even that fails to mention the whole "second healthbar" thing that Reaper Shroud has. Holo has a niche, its a sidenoder. Not sure people want that. Well, yes. So reaper goes shroud and thats it. Disgruntled Charr Engineer and Pirate - Jade Quarry. Except it is. This skill is part of the Holosmith specialization mechanic and is activated through the minor adept trait Photon Projector. As someone who has used all of those before, its different. AoE is better than ranged. You dont stay in Photon Forge to kill someone. This build will require the Deadeye to choose targets carefully and find a perfect location for the best shot. Lock On is extremely useful when fighting stealth reliant specs such as Deadeye, and Takedown Round is a strong passive proc which adds to your burst. Reaper shroud has 5 skills that synergise well, and is brutally powerful to the point that the entire class focuses around it. Stop acting like Forge on 5s CD isn't full of kitten. I mean they both don't have PF nor holo traitline AND damage is still low for them too but yet perform way worse than holo. Holosmith confused me at the start since it is pure damage without offering any survivability. Its so insane that focusing on it just makes sense. Holo is pretty dead atm, it has no survivability unless you dodge everything XD. Shadow Gust: Has lower cd than Toss Elixir S, knocks enemies back and deals slight damage. I asked you which skills you mean if you say the "other comparable" skills have twice the cooldown. So, in light of this, here is a brief analysis of your proposed changes: 1: this is not a good idea. Some people here want photon forge to be treated like reaper shroud without buffing the thing up to be comparable. Your 3,600-5,600 DPS meta build doesn't look so bad now, does it? What kind of team dies to a grenade barrage? You just get the enemy off the point with CC, and wait for someone to gank you. Why are you so surprised to hear about something that happened multiple times in the MOTA? Dude you recently kitten on my holo using your scrapper with flashbang, hammer 5 stun, hamme 2/3, and wrench (all while having stabi and a 50% health barrier), no counterplay offered, 3 seconds combat. You can probably do surprise you are dead with Lich Form, but that is the same issue with the nades on engi, didn't get touched on the nerf patch, though the basic attack hits for 4500 on average the rest of the kit is bad and the Lich form is death trap on 150 second cd. — In-game description. So a universal "NERF EXPLOSIVE ENTRANCE" or "NERF GRENADE KIT" shouldn't be a part of the discussion unless core and scrapper are over-performing with those as well (which they are not). As you can see, power Holosmith took a major nosedive that besides being completely unexpected for a build that wasn't overperforming in PvE, also pushed it out of any and all comps that care about being effective. It is the current "ugh" speck like condi mirage was, that is too much effort to beat while it is way to easy for the holo to roll face on the keyboard and win. Theyre not a roamer, theyre a sidenoder. It feels like they didnt want to double down on having holosmith have a big powerful alternative form in exchange for drawbacks, so they made both the drawback and the alternative form way more minor than reaper shroud. Scrapper Support. © 2021 ArenaNet, LLC. I don't know where this "jank" complaint comes from. Well it is not rocket science to throw some nades at a stunned target. Stalling is not the same as 1v1, if you know you will get support or gank at some point it is quite different and Boyce is champ he could probably win 1v1 with just WASD keys and a stick. The last profession I tried during the preview weekend is the Mesmer’s new Elite Specialization, Mirage. God of PvP's condition mirage build is hitting 1,600 DPS . Yeah, they should nerf the power scaling of explosive entrance in PvP, if anything. Engineer has been overpowered since Alpha, though. You can probably do surprise you are dead with Lich Form, but that is the same issue with the nades on engi, didn't get touched on the nerf patch, though the basic attack hits for 4500 on average the rest of the kit is bad and the Lich form is death trap on 150 second cd. But yeah, slightly lower range. My issues with Holo and Scrapper are that they pretty much never seem to have any defensive of offensive downtime, and half of its skills look the same and are often heavily obscured while having some very high-impact effects, even if it isn't just raw damage. I think a miracle occurred, but I actually agree with you on that one. Then there are all the skills which just stealth the user, which have all lower cd than Toss Elixir S. The minor trait does more damage than all of the Mirage damage orientated ambushes on a Wizard Amulet with Infinite Horizon and 3 clones. Point is that core and scrapper do not over-perform like holo with the perks of having heat. 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